The Plague War Preview - Daigotsu Shimekiri

The Peacock King Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 2326

Hell yeah, way to go, Troy!

Servant of Daigotsu Joined: 06 May 2010 Posts: 34

Hachrt wrote:

MenothsFire wrote:

Then you'll have to change your Fate deck for more Focus :/ There are already a handful of cards in the Paragon arsenal that require Focus as well as a certain Paragon tactician - I believe we will see an overall strengthening of the Paragon deck with TPW (and maybe IG3) which will require a complete retooling of the subpar Paragon deck we currently have; I wouldn't boo this card out-of-hand without seeing what else is coming. Besides, even low-level range is often useful, even if you don't use it every battle - there will certainly enough followers in the environment to make it useful.

I take huge offense to this post. Firstly, Paragons are not sub-par currently. They're sub par if you play noting but people with the paragon trait, but if you only use the best of them. 13 is more than enough. First off: You *do not* change an entire deck to make it more friendly toward one personality. You don't. End of story.

Making my focus pool higher means I can't play Murderous Intent (and I intend to), or Strength in Terror, or Determined Force, or Justly Earned Victory, or The Height of Courage, or The Thriving Light, etc.

Those are all cards 100% worth running on their own merits, and there are more we've already seen in in the two new sets like The Cost of Pride or Deny the Horde worth running with low focus value. Shimekiri isn't good enough to play with when using such a fate deck.

Never mind how many ways there are to reduce (or otherwise negate the usefulness) of a ranged attack in this environment.

His ranged attack *is* essentially free, but it's not good. 4f is not good. 2 chi is not good.

I'm even hesitant to call him better than Azuma.

4f for 7g isn't good? I'm well aware you're used to getting 5f for 7g, but I'm almost offended at that, not that I truly am. As for changing your deck to make it more friendly to one personality? Sure you can, if you like the personality. I've seen lots of people do it. It may not necessarily win, but people do do it and it's 100% reasonable, you should never tell someone simply not to do it because "you just don't" there has to be some sort of harmful context for that to be a legitimate reason and deck building isn't harmful.

Please note that I'm not the person you originally had the disagreement with and I don't mean to defend him or referee, even if that might well be what I'm doing. I just wanted to adress certain inflamatory remarks.

As for your Azuma comparison, I'd probably say Azuma is in fact better, though I think Azuma is a pretty decent card. I'd also argue the merrits of Deny the Horde. It's strength is largely environmental. If you see lots of honor runners or breeder/swarm style decks, you're not going to accomplish much with it, in a broaders sense, I'd say Rout is going to produce a more beneficial effect simply by allowing you to pick your own target.

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:38 pm

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Hachrt wrote:
MenothsFire wrote:
Then you'll have to change your Fate deck for more Focus :/ There are already a handful of cards in the Paragon arsenal that require Focus as well as a certain Paragon tactician - I believe we will see an overall strengthening of the Paragon deck with TPW (and maybe IG3) which will require a complete retooling of the subpar Paragon deck we currently have; I wouldn't boo this card out-of-hand without seeing what else is coming. Besides, even low-level range is often useful, even if you don't use it every battle - there will certainly enough followers in the environment to make it useful.
I take huge offense to this post. Firstly, Paragons are not sub-par currently. They're sub par if you play noting but people with the paragon trait, but if you only use the best of them. 13 is more than enough. First off: You *do not* change an entire deck to make it more friendly toward one personality. You don't. End of story.

Making my focus pool higher means I can't play Murderous Intent (and I intend to), or Strength in Terror, or Determined Force, or Justly Earned Victory, or The Height of Courage, or The Thriving Light, etc.

Those are all cards 100% worth running on their own merits, and there are more we've already seen in in the two new sets like The Cost of Pride or Deny the Horde worth running with low focus value. Shimekiri isn't good enough to play with when using such a fate deck.

Never mind how many ways there are to reduce (or otherwise negate the usefulness) of a ranged attack in this environment.

His ranged attack *is* essentially free, but it's not good. 4f is not good. 2 chi is not good.

I'm even hesitant to call him better than Azuma.

4f for 7g isn't good? I'm well aware you're used to getting 5f for 7g, but I'm almost offended at that, not that I truly am. As for changing your deck to make it more friendly to one personality? Sure you can, if you like the personality. I've seen lots of people do it. It may not necessarily win, but people do do it and it's 100% reasonable, you should never tell someone simply not to do it because "you just don't" there has to be some sort of harmful context for that to be a legitimate reason and deck building isn't harmful.

Please note that I'm not the person you originally had the disagreement with and I don't mean to defend him or referee, even if that might well be what I'm doing. I just wanted to adress certain inflamatory remarks.

As for your Azuma comparison, I'd probably say Azuma is in fact better, though I think Azuma is a pretty decent card. I'd also argue the merrits of Deny the Horde. It's strength is largely environmental. If you see lots of honor runners or breeder/swarm style decks, you're not going to accomplish much with it, in a broaders sense, I'd say Rout is going to produce a more beneficial effect simply by allowing you to pick your own target.

Gentlemen. This guys isn't supposed to be good. He is what he is, which is just OK. It's probably why he's an uncommon and not a rare. AEG figured we scream a storm if we got a crappy paragon rare. Not to say that they dont produce crappy rares, but that's not the point. You both have good points, but regardless, the design team made him knowing what he was going to do and not do. Which is look pretty, and be somewhat annoying to your opponent.

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:51 pm

Troy....

This art made the entire set for me. I've always loved your work, but this one here just is incredible beyond anything...

It is artwork worthy of a Clan Champion.

I hope to see lots more from you in the future. Smile

Zombie Master wrote:

I love the fact that his "attendants" are Thing 2 and Thing 1.

.... I'm not sure I understand.

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:05 pm

Their foreheads have tattoos for kanji of 1 and 2

Servant of Daigotsu Joined: 12 Aug 2009 Posts: 102

Awesome art troy, cool card,paragon decks should be running 4fv cards inc DVS, Shadowed dojo needs 4fv otherwise you should run a diferent SH.

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:18 pm

Hachrt wrote:

Never mind how many ways there are to reduce (or otherwise negate the usefulness) of a ranged attack in this environment.

His ranged attack *is* essentially free, but it's not good. 4f is not good. 2 chi is not good.

I'm even hesitant to call him better than Azuma.

But he's better than the rare paragon from Gote (a piece of crap xD) and... he's FKIN TROY GRAHAM! Twisted Evil

I will play the Fallen Crane on my paragon deck, at least x2 Cool

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:12 am

Its probably no surprise that I like him, since I don't loathe Azuma the way most do. I like battle actions on my guys, and his is pretty solid. RA5 if you're running cards like Paths of Honour and Glory is nothing to sneeze at against many clans, although admittedly it won't do as much against some. I think he's a solid addition. Not knock your socks off, perhaps, but he'll see play.

Congratulations on getting your vanity card, Troy! Now, for some deckbackers of him and Tetsuo!

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 2:44 pm

Troy,

I love it man! Congrats on so many levels!

-Matt

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:07 pm

Troy this is a fantastic work so congrats man.

Also guys, this Fallen Crane will be a reliable range 4 or 5.

Wait and see.
He doesn't use cards from your hand, but your discard pile.

Bowing is good, killing is better.
Don't worry about those 6+ force guys...

Str. in Terror is a good way to deal with high force... or so I hear.

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:28 am

Moto Yoee wrote:

Whoooo... now I wonder what is Setsuko-chan's Dark Trait™...

Let's sum up what has already been used:
Dark Ambition (Koneru)
Dark Deeds (Kishida)
Dark Destiny (Azuma)
Dark Dominion (Michio)
Dark Dreams (Harushi)
Dark Lord (Big D)
Dark Power (Hirata)
Dark Pride (Gahseng)
Dark Resolve (Shiraki)
Dark Stone (Buroki)
Dark Strength (Ryudo)
Dark Truth (Shinjitsu)
Dark Wind (You Die!)

Hmm... Dark Beauty maybe? Or maybe Dark Perfection, to be Merciless, Powerful, Beautiful and Perfect? ^_^

I'm personally hoping for the next version of Shahai with Paragon and "Dark Daughter"

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:51 am

Here is something story-related:

Daidoji Gisei wrote:

At the end of the day, after the lessons and drills are done, the students of the Kakita Academy will gather together to amuse themselves with stories. Sometimes the tales turn gruesome, and at those times the boldest among them will whisper the story of the elegant and talented man who became the Demon Blade of the Shadowlands.

The Masters of the Academy, on the other hand, deny that Kakita Shimekiri ever existed and have fought more than one duel to make the point. And though you may search the Crane lands from Kosaten Shiro to the flashing sea, from peasant's hovel to the Champion's Palace, no record of the name you will find.

This is the story as it was told to me.

Unicorn Marketeer wrote:

It was always canon.

rpriske wrote:

Just because you don't know it, doesn't make it untrue.

It is canon.

It is also cannon... because it blows you away.

There you go, Demon Blade of the Shadowlands. Woot! Looks as though the Duelist trait is planned for the Experienced version. Wink

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:10 pm

Audax wrote:

There you go, Demon Blade of the Shadowlands. Woot! Looks as though the Duelist trait is planned for the Experienced version. Wink

I hate it when people say things like that. So in a futile effort to stop the creation of rumors, half-truths, and unmeetable expectations, I want to make it quite clear that there are currently no plans for an experienced version and should one ever be printed, the trait list will ultimately be determined by the needs of Design, not Story.

Merciless. Unique. Perfect. Joined: 14 Apr 2007 Posts: 422

Yep. I'm happy as snot just having one card and will have to earn an XP version by winning something. Now to try to get some of my playgroup back together.

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:12 pm

Hachrt wrote:

MenothsFire wrote:

Then you'll have to change your Fate deck for more Focus :/ There are already a handful of cards in the Paragon arsenal that require Focus as well as a certain Paragon tactician - I believe we will see an overall strengthening of the Paragon deck with TPW (and maybe IG3) which will require a complete retooling of the subpar Paragon deck we currently have; I wouldn't boo this card out-of-hand without seeing what else is coming. Besides, even low-level range is often useful, even if you don't use it every battle - there will certainly enough followers in the environment to make it useful.

I take huge offense to this post. Firstly, Paragons are not sub-par currently. They're sub par if you play noting but people with the paragon trait, but if you only use the best of them. 13 is more than enough. First off: You *do not* change an entire deck to make it more friendly toward one personality. You don't. End of story.

Making my focus pool higher means I can't play Murderous Intent (and I intend to), or Strength in Terror, or Determined Force, or Justly Earned Victory, or The Height of Courage, or The Thriving Light, etc.

Those are all cards 100% worth running on their own merits, and there are more we've already seen in in the two new sets like The Cost of Pride or Deny the Horde worth running with low focus value. Shimekiri isn't good enough to play with when using such a fate deck.

Never mind how many ways there are to reduce (or otherwise negate the usefulness) of a ranged attack in this environment.

His ranged attack *is* essentially free, but it's not good. 4f is not good. 2 chi is not good.

I'm even hesitant to call him better than Azuma.

"How dare you disagree with me, faceless internet poster - I am offended!"
LOL

You haven't seen all of the card from TPW yet, so you do not know exactly what your Fate deck will look like. Maybe when all is said and done you may lsay "hey, maybe his ranged attack could do some damage now that all of these super-cool, high-Focus cards just came out in TPW and IG3 and have made it into my Fate deck." Maybe you won't; I don't know and neither do you. Either way, I'll try not to be offended Wink