The Plague War Preview - Daigotsu Shimekiri

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:58 am

I love the fact that his "attendants" are Thing 2 and Thing 1. However, I seem to be missing the part where Art = Artisan, unless we're talking about other previews having that trait?

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:27 am

Hachrt wrote:

He's ... not good. Looking at my focus values he'll either be a ranged 4 or a ranged 2 most of the time and that just doesn't cut it.

If we had more people with printed ranged attacks it might be feasible to run Arrows do not Falter, but Shimekiri doesn't have a slot yet, Shinjutsu is still better.

4 chi would have easily made him playable.

Then you'll have to change your Fate deck for more Focus :/ There are already a handful of cards in the Paragon arsenal that require Focus as well as a certain Paragon tactician - I believe we will see an overall strengthening of the Paragon deck with TPW (and maybe IG3) which will require a complete retooling of the subpar Paragon deck we currently have; I wouldn't boo this card out-of-hand without seeing what else is coming. Besides, even low-level range is often useful, even if you don't use it every battle - there will certainly enough followers in the environment to make it useful.

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:05 am

Shimekiri wrote:

mainly the Fallen Crane and Dark Art bits. My other Dark option is actually used on Setsuko XP.

Whoooo... now I wonder what is Setsuko-chan's Dark Trait™...

Let's sum up what has already been used:
Dark Ambition (Koneru)
Dark Deeds (Kishida)
Dark Destiny (Azuma)
Dark Dominion (Michio)
Dark Dreams (Harushi)
Dark Lord (Big D)
Dark Power (Hirata)
Dark Pride (Gahseng)
Dark Resolve (Shiraki)
Dark Stone (Buroki)
Dark Strength (Ryudo)
Dark Truth (Shinjitsu)
Dark Wind (You Die!)

Hmm... Dark Beauty maybe? Or maybe Dark Perfection, to be Merciless, Powerful, Beautiful and Perfect? ^_^

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:10 am

I just had to toss in my mad props to Troy on the excellent artwork! Is there some meaning to the white arm on left and the dark arm on the right? Kind of a symbolism to the "fallen Crane".

I might have to make that artwork default on my desktop at work here for a while, that's just awesome.

Servant of Daigotsu Joined: 04 Jul 2009 Posts: 557

Thorough Preparations might not be bad. Discard it for Hirata, draw a card, then remove it from the game to do a RA4.

And I'm sure I'm wrong here based on his wording...but he doesn't interact with Daigotsu Gahseng at all does he?

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:33 am

No, he shouldn't react at all with Gahseng, as you're removing a card from the game, not discarding.

He's a bit weaker version of Shiraki, who was a superstar for me in Samurai. I'll get a good amount of use out of Troy here.

Servant of Daigotsu Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Posts: 19

I don't get it, where's the third Artisan? Udo, the Spidery shugenja guy, and...?

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:43 am

my bad...it was past 3 am when I first saw these and could have sworn this guy had artisan.

<__<__>

IGNORE ME!!!!

Hantei Lineage Zealot Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 113

Congratz. Awesome art.

Servant of Daigotsu Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Posts: 36

Daigotsu Kandagger wrote:

my bad...it was past 3 am when I first saw these and could have sworn this guy had artisan.

<__<__>

IGNORE ME!!!!

What were you saying? I was ignoring you...

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:19 pm

hes only 4f and that makes me sad, the idea of a ranged attack is great but how many 4fv dvs does the average paragon deck run maybe 6? seems like he could be blank more then not on the board

Servant of Daigotsu Joined: 04 Jul 2009 Posts: 557

Mad wrote:

hes only 4f and that makes me sad, the idea of a ranged attack is great but how many 4fv dvs does the average paragon deck run maybe 6? seems like he could be blank more then not on the board

I run at least six if not nine 4FV, followed by three to nine 3FV ones

Servant of Daigotsu Joined: 06 May 2010 Posts: 34

Mad wrote:

hes only 4f and that makes me sad, the idea of a ranged attack is great but how many 4fv dvs does the average paragon deck run maybe 6? seems like he could be blank more then not on the board

The card doesn't have to be a Dark Virtue (which is good, because gahseng is likely recycling them) and since it's from your discard, not hand, there's little actual cost. He's always going to have some sort of ranged attack available and I suspect it will be at 3 much of the time. That's not huge, but in combination with some sort of attachment destruction or force reduction (the DV SH being good for providing that) it ought to be able to hit something. Reading this in text, it doesn't sound like a shining endorsement, but I actually think for a non-unique it's decent, particularly since many of the Dark Paragon's actions currently are fate deck oriented (Gahseng and Setsuko, are good examples of this) having an action that does something without entirely relying on your fate deck (I realize it does to some extent, but I mean it's an action you can use in addition to actions you play from your hand). I do think he could probably have used an extra force considering that's typically the stat ratio for you guys, but I suspect it was intended to be balanced out with your new force pump.

Cranberries Joined: 24 May 2008 Posts: 1975

MenothsFire wrote:

Then you'll have to change your Fate deck for more Focus :/ There are already a handful of cards in the Paragon arsenal that require Focus as well as a certain Paragon tactician - I believe we will see an overall strengthening of the Paragon deck with TPW (and maybe IG3) which will require a complete retooling of the subpar Paragon deck we currently have; I wouldn't boo this card out-of-hand without seeing what else is coming. Besides, even low-level range is often useful, even if you don't use it every battle - there will certainly enough followers in the environment to make it useful.

I take huge offense to this post. Firstly, Paragons are not sub-par currently. They're sub par if you play noting but people with the paragon trait, but if you only use the best of them. 13 is more than enough. First off: You *do not* change an entire deck to make it more friendly toward one personality. You don't. End of story.

Making my focus pool higher means I can't play Murderous Intent (and I intend to), or Strength in Terror, or Determined Force, or Justly Earned Victory, or The Height of Courage, or The Thriving Light, etc.

Those are all cards 100% worth running on their own merits, and there are more we've already seen in in the two new sets like The Cost of Pride or Deny the Horde worth running with low focus value. Shimekiri isn't good enough to play with when using such a fate deck.

Never mind how many ways there are to reduce (or otherwise negate the usefulness) of a ranged attack in this environment.

His ranged attack *is* essentially free, but it's not good. 4f is not good. 2 chi is not good.

I'm even hesitant to call him better than Azuma.

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:14 pm

I also don't feel there -is- real need to change the focus values of the fate deck really.
There's enough force manipulation in the deck that there will be times where even a ranged 1 attack will get rid of a peep. I see Shimekiri as a finisher, removing people who have been weakened but not killed by earlier battle actions.
Besides, you get to choose what card to remove so you can tailor your Ranged Attack to whats at the field. Big things only slow him down like they do against most of the deck.
And...well, he'll fit quite nicely into the "Pew Pew Paragons" ranged attack theme.